Curse

Krill · Apr 29, 2009, 02:45 PM // 14:45

500 for the 10 slot, 1500 for the 15 slot and 3000 for the 20 slot would be a lot more reasonable imo.

This current arrangement is just giving players incentive to farm the PvP quest of the day for coins and balth, which is really annoying if you're not farming the quest because people want to keep re-rolling.

notskorn · Apr 29, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43

If you don't enjoy playing the game enough to get the bags then why would you want them? The 10 slot bag is really cheap and that should be good enough for everyone anyway.

Gli · Apr 29, 2009, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by notskorn

If you don't enjoy playing the game enough to get the bags then why would you want them? The 10 slot bag is really cheap and that should be good enough for everyone anyway.

I enjoy the hell out of the game, I just don't want to spend the little time I can spend on it doing exactly what the Zaishen want me to. If I want bags, I'll have to spend weeks if not months not making any progress at all on the characters I'm developing.

Not going to happen. The Zaishen can #%$# the hell off, I'm buying my bags from players.

tmakinen · Apr 29, 2009, 06:46 PM // 18:46

I've earned two 10-slotters so far without even farming the quests, just cherry picking what I like. That's like a whole new storage tab in a week, and combined with the complimentary tab I can already see my storage problems disappearing. In a month all my main account characters will have 10-slotters on them

Enon · Apr 29, 2009, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by eddie the reaper

You cannot siwtch headpieces in explorable areas either, well you definitely can't in PvP, I assume it's the same in PvE.

Then you assumed wrong, pumpkin!

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Originally Posted by eddie the reaper

Blaat

Are you telling me how I'm suppose to play this game..?

(Are you lot actually dumb enough to not see the sarcasm in my previous posts..?)

Gforce · Apr 29, 2009, 09:29 PM // 21:29

So much for "hundreds of hours"... I know some people already got their 20 slot bag and im 7 silver coins away from getting mine.

T1Cybernetic · Apr 29, 2009, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by Gforce

So much for "hundreds of hours"... I know some people already got their 20 slot bag and im 7 silver coins away from getting mine.

Can you remember how many hours it took to gain that 20 slot bag

You are the first person i have had the chance to ask

and how many times you had to do quests etc.

I am just curious...

Imaginos · Apr 30, 2009, 12:30 AM // 00:30

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Originally Posted by Gforce

So much for "hundreds of hours"... I know some people already got their 20 slot bag and im 7 silver coins away from getting mine.

pvp exploits ftw!

bet none of them did it without the pvp quests / hb exploit-farming.

Gforce · Apr 30, 2009, 07:37 AM // 07:37

I have not exactly kept track but these are my estimates: I have done the gvg quest on 9 characters, ta quest on 8 characters, ab quest on 7 characters, HA quest on 3 characters, HB quest on 7 characters and the RA quest on 1 character. I have also accidentaly gave in the wrong quests etc so I didnt do all of them with the complete bonus. I did a few of the pve quests, probably like 5 total on 1 character.

As for time played.. I really dont know. I have played a lot over the past week but a lot of that time wasn't spend on getting zcoins.

Artisan Archer · Apr 30, 2009, 08:09 AM // 08:09

Grind? What grind? It's not like you to do the same thing over and over again...

ne33us · Apr 30, 2009, 08:25 AM // 08:25

Two suggestions having in mind the way "rune of holding" works.
(If this has already been suggested, torch the post

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Make the bags upgradeable so someone can invest on the 5 slot bag and start using it and later on he/she can pay the price difference to the next bags price, and so on.

Make the bags tradeable to a merchant for a fair amount of z-coins so someone can gradually go from the 5 slots bag to the 20 bags slot with a minor z-coin penalty due to the buy-sell procedure.

Riot Narita · Apr 30, 2009, 09:45 AM // 09:45

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Originally Posted by gmonster2

You can swap equipment packs into storage and to other characters, so i bought a 10 slot from the first few days of the quests.

This i can use now on my 600 monk and later when i get the twenty that 10 slotter can go onto another character. Yeah the 20 slots for every character is a grind but u are not forced to do it , maybe one 20 and a few 5 slots its all good.

One thing is when u hit f9 which is handy to bring up all your bags to move stuff around the equip pack isnt shown this would have been nice..

Pack has to be empty to de-equip it and then move it into storage..

Didn't realise you could do this - thanks. Is it also possible to trade your old pack to another player after you upgraded yourself?

tmakinen · Apr 30, 2009, 09:50 AM // 09:50

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Originally Posted by Hissy

Is it also possible to trade your old pack to another player after you upgraded yourself?

Of course, when not equipped it's just a rather ordinary inventory item. I expect to see a brisk second hand market for 10 and 15 slotters as people upgrade to larger models over time.

Jongo River · Apr 30, 2009, 10:15 AM // 10:15

De-lurking...

I really *hate* this update - so many nice ideas and so corrupted by mistakes ANet really shouldn't be making by now.

It *is* grind. When you take a game and turn it into a chore, by removing the usual freedom a player has to do what they want to do, it becomes grind. So what if the activites are varied? I'm still going to feel like I'm on a treadmill for the next x-months, even if the scenery changes. And it's put me off Z-Quests, that I actually thought were a nice idea, until they were revealed as mandatory for a decent sized pack. People should be playing these because they want to pug, not because they've been forced to for the storage they need.

And I do *need* that pack! I have to shuffle inventories every time I change toons. The 5-pack is just insulting - cost is way too high and it only offers equivalent space to the 100g belt pouch I've had to fill with books.

Storage as a reward is just a horrible idea. Ironically, given the update started out as a HoM "fix" - it's the worst addition to GW since EotN.

Yeah, I know.. QQ Moarz.. whatever...

I picked up an Orange Box in a bargain bin the other day, so I'm off to play TF2, until ANet figures out how to make the process of getting a pack suck less.

Bug John · Apr 30, 2009, 10:54 AM // 10:54

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Originally Posted by Artisan Archer

Grind? What grind? It's not like you to do the same thing over and over again...

read this :

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Originally Posted by Gforce

I have not exactly kept track but these are my estimates: I have done the gvg quest on 9 characters, ta quest on 8 characters, ab quest on 7 characters, HA quest on 3 characters, HB quest on 7 characters and the RA quest on 1 character. I have also accidentaly gave in the wrong quests etc so I didnt do all of them with the complete bonus. I did a few of the pve quests, probably like 5 total on 1 character.

As for time played.. I really dont know. I have played a lot over the past week but a lot of that time wasn't spend on getting zcoins.

As a pvp player, I think this is a bit much for just one bag, although this can't really be called grinding. I personally hate AB and never do HB, but GvG and HA are my favorites, so it won't be too difficult for me to get bags.

Now consider you're a pve player, pve rewards are much lower, if you want to get a bag fast enough, you have to do things on multiple characters, that's where the grind begins.

bel unbreakable · Apr 30, 2009, 11:06 AM // 11:06

still dont think its grind tho if you have multi characters wouldint you want those missions quests done any way

Riot Narita · Apr 30, 2009, 11:12 AM // 11:12

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Originally Posted by Bug John

if you want to get a bag fast enough, you have to do things on multiple characters, that's where the grind begins.

What is "fast enough" though? The rate I'm going is "fast enough" and I don't feel like I'm grinding. I don't do much repetition of each daily quest (don't have many level 20 characters, and only one of them has access to all areas). It will take me quite some time to get a 20 slot bag, but that doesn't bother me at all. 15 slot might be enough anyway.

But it seems for most people on guru, only "right now" is "fast enough", so they can get back to all the stuff they do every day in GW that's new, non-repetitive, and non-grinding (sarcasm). That's if they've ever played GW at all of course, because in some cases you'd think a 20 slot equipment pack was so essential, that they haven't been able to even start playing GW for the last 4 years.

kupp · Apr 30, 2009, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by Gli

I enjoy the hell out of the game, I just don't want to spend the little time I can spend on it doing exactly what the Zaishen want me to. If I want bags, I'll have to spend weeks if not months not making any progress at all on the characters I'm developing.

Not going to happen. The Zaishen can #%$# the hell off, I'm buying my bags from players.

This is very true, for a week all I've been doing in GW is zaishen quests and if I stop I won't be able to make any progress to get the damned bags.

lilDeath · Apr 30, 2009, 11:26 AM // 11:26

Like another poster said, you have most likely done all the missions / quests and killed all the bosses more than just a few times, especially with all the updates, titles, elite caps, etc. ANet have had on offer for the last 2 years.
So, yes, you have done it before. I know I have.

ANet made a fundamental mistake with the bags in wanting to offer too much. They never should have had 4 size options for the bags.
They should only have offered the 20 slot bag. Or maybe the 10 slot bag. Nothing else. That is all we have had for years anyway (other than the belt pouch with 5 slots, which isn't even bag).
With too many options of course people are going to compare the cheapest and best value for time and money.

I am getting the feeling they made the 20 slot bags that much on purpose, to push people to give up and rather buy the storage panes at $9.99. More money for them, right?
Or even another char slot.

Bug John · Apr 30, 2009, 11:33 AM // 11:33

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Originally Posted by Hissy

What is "fast enough" though? The rate I'm going is "fast enough" and I don't feel like I'm grinding. I don't do much repetition of each daily quest (don't have many level 20 characters, and only one of them has access to all areas). It will take me quite some time to get a 20 slot bag, but that doesn't bother me at all. 15 slot might be enough anyway.

1 month of real casual playing should be enough (eg : mission and/or bounty every day and some pvp), that would bring you something like 100 coins/day, which would make the heavy equipment pack around 3k or 4k copper coins.

7k500 copper requirement makes packs too far from reach for pve only players (100 zcoins for 4 bosses in doa hm, when you can get the same just for a hoh jump if you play at the right hour ?).

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Originally Posted by Hissy

But it seems for most people on guru, only "right now" is "fast enough", so they can get back to all the stuff they do every day in GW that's new, non-repetitive, and non-grinding (sarcasm). That's if they've ever played GW at all of course, because in some cases you'd think a 20 slot equipment pack was so essential, that they haven't been able to even start playing GW for the last 4 years.

You like doing questions and answers all by yourself, don't you ?

It's not because YOU like things the way they are that everybody has to think alike.